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Posted: 28 December 2005 07:16 PM  
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Check this out:

http://www.avnonline.com/articles/252970.html

Would anyone like to join me in a collective sigh of relief? Can’t wait to find out about the rest of the rulings.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 05:29 AM  
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Dick Hunter - 28 December 2005 07:16 PM

Check this out:

http://www.avnonline.com/articles/252970.html

Would anyone like to join me in a collective sigh of relief? Can’t wait to find out about the rest of the rulings.

Amen.  Amen!

Those new regs do nothing but punish people who are not in child pornography.  There’s no money to be made in child porn and the people who sell it, do not know anything about the 2257 regs. 

Eh, I don’t know everything..  Anyways, nice site here..  smile

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Posted: 29 December 2005 09:51 PM  
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The Fourth Amendment of our Constitution reads as follows: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, homes, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

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Posted: 30 December 2005 12:15 AM  
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I agree with you, would not seem to make sense that this ruling would only applies to the Plaintiffs in the case, the FSC and others who were listed at Plaintiffs.  But, then, sometimes the law makes very little sense.

A close reading of what the judge said leaves it open to interpretation as to who the ruling will apply to.  That’s why I said that it seems that it was a BIG win for the lawyers since they are going to spend a lot of time debating this ruling, trying to interpret it, appealing aspects of it....and all at big hourly rates!

Overall I think it’s good news for our side, but I don’t think the ruling is definitive and it’s going to take quite sometime to get it all figured out.  Our big hope is that the DoJ doesn’t attempt to conduct any 2257 inspections of ANYONE until this is all sorted out through the court systems.

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Posted: 30 December 2005 12:53 AM  
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Yeah, there’s some things I’m not really clear on either. Earlier tonight I posted this blog entry which summarizes some key points.

I think the reason it only covers the Plaintiffs is because it’s just a temporary ruling until the real case is heard. :-(

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Posted: 30 December 2005 06:45 AM  
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Posted: 05 January 2006 08:05 AM  
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Just released a couple of days ago by the Free Speech Coalition, all members of the FSC are covered by the ruling regardless of when they become members.  I would think that anyone classed as a “secondary producer” might want to consider joining.

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Posted: 06 January 2006 02:36 AM  
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Totally.

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com

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Posted: 11 January 2006 04:31 PM  
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Another interesting article:

2257 Ruling Draws Mixed Reactions from Attorneys

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Posted: 31 January 2006 12:14 AM  
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Hi,

I was reading on the 2257 rulings. Very confusing. I’m new to the whole adult entertainment business and wondering if this particular ruling can only apply to business carried out in the USA such as you maybe from the UK, Canada, Australia or any other place outside of the USA and your server is not located in the USA if this ruling is still applied to you? What if you are running your business from another country but your server is situated in the USA.

I don’t get this whole 2257 ruling and am wondering if I should just abandon trying to start adult websites. I was hoping on having an affiliate website/s at first to learn more on the process before getting into paid sites but this whole ruling thing is giving me some doubts and a huge headache trying to figure it out.

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Posted: 31 January 2006 06:33 AM  
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pixel - 31 January 2006 12:14 AM

Hi,

I was reading on the 2257 rulings. Very confusing. I’m new to the whole adult entertainment business and wondering if this particular ruling can only apply to business carried out in the USA such as you maybe from the UK, Canada, Australia or any other place outside of the USA and your server is not located in the USA if this ruling is still applied to you? What if you are running your business from another country but your server is situated in the USA.

I don’t get this whole 2257 ruling and am wondering if I should just abandon trying to start adult websites. I was hoping on having an affiliate website/s at first to learn more on the process before getting into paid sites but this whole ruling thing is giving me some doubts and a huge headache trying to figure it out.

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Pixel,

The 2257 can only apply to companies located in the United States.  If you are located in Russia...or Canada, American law does not apply to you as long as your company and server are located there.  If you are, let’s say, located in Canada but your server is located in America, then you must comply with American law.  The worst that could happen would be your server could be seized or shut down but the Deparment of Justice doesn’t have the resources or manpower to come after you in Canada.

If you have your own website, it is hosted in another country, you only have to worry about the laws in that country....UNLESS, you want to have an affiliate program where US companies may join, they then, would insist that you have the 2257 records so that they don’t have any hassles.  Hope that makes sense.

Also, regarding 2257, even though it was a TRO (temporary restraining order), and applied only to members of the FSC (Free Speech Coalition), it also applies to the Department of Justice, so they will not be enforcing the secondary producer portion of 2257 until it finally gets heard in the courts, which could be years.  They simply don’t have the funds to fight another court battle in another portion of the country with the very good likelihood of losing.

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Posted: 31 January 2006 08:45 AM  
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It’s kinda like watching a poorly made house of cards fall down, isn’t it?

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Posted: 31 January 2006 10:19 AM  
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Jasun - 31 January 2006 08:45 AM

It’s kinda like watching a poorly made house of cards fall down, isn’t it?

Certainly is....ain’t it great?

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Posted: 31 January 2006 11:58 AM  
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Thanks Bill for the clarification.

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